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#246 – Eksklusivt interview med 90er Massemonster Jim Quinn

27/08/2019 af Bigshooter Skriv kommentar

Han burde ikke kræve en introduktion – men vi skriver 2019, og det er ikke jer alle der kan jeres iron history. I bliver nu klogere. Jim Quinn er navnet, og han var en af de største bodybuildere i 90erne. Og jeg mener her ganske bogstaveligt, når jeg siger, at han var en af de største: Jim Quinn var en kolos. Mange tænker Dorian Yates når de tænker the advent of mass monsters, men velverserede vil vide, at Jim Quinn kom først – og han var i sandhed en behemot, et absurd grænsende til det groteske massemonster. Vi taler en mand der på en given dag på sin peak trænede, spiste og restituerede med mere intensitet end de fleste træningsentusiaster vil mønstre i deres livstid. 125 kg Barbell curls, 225kg x 21 reps i squats, og kampvægt på 136 kg til guest posing.

Jim har både baggrund som bodybuilder og som fysisk atlet, som D1AA running back/fullback. Han er NSCA-certificeret coach og arbejder i dag særligt med unge talenter & up and coming, og er gift med Deidre og har en søn. Success inden for konkurrencebodybuilding står og falder med din genetiske struktur, således at jo tættere den er på de subjektive, æstetiske kriterier inden for BB, jo bedre. Og der er lige præcis zero man kan gøre ved det, hvis man ikke har strukturen – hvad det i øvrigt er de absolut færreste der har. Jim havde ikke strukturen, men han havde en work ethic second to none og er et eksempel på hvad der sker når maksimal træning møder maksimal ernæring møder maksimal restitution – og selvom han ikke havde generne til at blive en “æstetisk” bodybuilder, så har han sandelig generne for størrelse og definition.


90er superstjerne-Bodybuilder Jim Quinn – “The Future of Bodybuilding”, blev han kaldt.

Jim Quinn og jeg deler en række træningsfilosofiske indgange. Fx prioriterede jeg i en vel 6-7 års tid at bruge flere og flere – og flere – kg når jeg trænede. At undgå at være limited by load, navnlig i min træningskarrieres opbygningsfase. Jeg kan ikke med god samvittighed sætte klienter til helt så risikobetonet træning, men understreger igen og igen at træne så tungt som muligt, med teknik og instrukser overholdt. Derudover abonnerer vi som trænere begge på i høj grad at angribe træningen posturalt, hvilket står i kontrast til en modstrømning der generelt underkender værdien af god holdning (både strukturelt og vanemæssigt) og at løse muskulære ubalancer, noget jeg imidlertid tillægger ganske væsentlig betydning når jeg PT’er.
Dem af jer der har været til mine seminarer ved også at jeg som case finder en som Jim Quinn mange, mange gange mere interessant end den “perfekte” bodybuilder med den strømlinede, computergenerede fysik. Af samme årsag fremhæver jeg gerne bodybuildere som Jim Quinn og styrkeløftere som Ted Arcidi for at tale om hvad man kan lære af deres træning og deres cases, i relation til struktur/anatomi, gener, mv.
Det er min store fornøjelse og egentlige privilegium at bringe nedenstående eksklusive interview med Jim Quinn, hvor yours truly stillede spørgsmål frit fra leveren. Det er spækket med værdifuld information, som en del af jer vil kunne tage videre, og jeg opfordrer jer til at læse det nøje og ekstrahere al den værdi I kan.

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Interview med Jim Quinn

Dear Jim, is an absolute pleasure & honor that you are so generous as to lend me some of your time and wisdom. You could produce thick books with your knowledge, bio and experience – but for now, let’s settle with this series of questions.

First of all, you were known as an absolute beast in the gym, and were actually one of the first mass monsters on the whole scene. Your philosophy has been summed up as “limited by load” – an arm that curls a 30 lbs DB will look like an arm that curls a 30 lbs DB. Mechanical stimulus is important. Can you in your own words elaborate on this central pillar of your philosophy?
I think we just trained intuitively a lot of the time.  With Billy Smith and Jimmy Pellechia another story.  Billy had always planned 4-6 week blocks (macro-cycles).  I had no idea what I was doing, i just followed his lead. Pellechia was a constant progression in his quest, and, again, I just shut up and tried to keep up with those guys. What I learned later was that one adaptation, say hypertrophy/strength endurance optimal at 8 rm, or 80% of rm, was contingent upon or potentiated by a lower intensity of 3-5 rm strength sets.  I call it progressive hypertrophic training and there is a direct correlation with this programming and growth as a bodybuilder. For example, straight bar curl with progression, strength gain potentiates dumbbell seated curls with heavier sets of 8 rm and “voila,” you grow!  My stagnant 55 lb. dumbbells did nothing until Pellechia got me to do straight bar curl with 275 x 3-4 subsequently leading me to seated dumbbell curls with 110’s and 4 inches added to my arms.  A direct correlation — no place for being “limited by load.”  Add in switching to day one of chest/biceps splitting am/pm vs. a pre-exhausted back then biceps (pull).  Sequencing and mega amounts of protein and 300 guest posing pounds was conceivable.
 Training with such intensity as you did, obviously your body took a beating. So, what did you do back then to prehab/rehab injuries (shoulders, knees, etc) – and, given your vast knowledge in s&c now in the year 2019, what would you change training-wise to avoid or manage injuries if you had a time machine and could go back to then? What would the old Jim Quinn tell the young Jim Quinn?
As a former D1AA running back/fullback, you would have thought I’d recall our dynamic and static  stretching/warmups — nope.  We rarely warmed up and never stretched whatsoever, let alone did anything dynamic before anaerobic attacks.  I would have read The Egoscue Method, continued to move multi-planar and addressed an inherent and compounded crap musculoskeletal system with many dissymmetry’s like a right leg one inch shorter than the left (leg length disparity) which led eventually to my hip replacement at 39 years of age and 16 or so more surgeries.  I would have tried to find out what was wrong and dealt with it in an alternative manner rather than allowing that much metal and unnecessary operations on my body.  I would have continued to eat 525 grams of protein daily, if not more, and would not have complained with having that aspect of my job being a nuisance.  I would have done anaerobic bursts instead of copious amounts of slow steady cardio, 12 hours per week is a lot.  As Ronnie Coleman said:  “I would have trained heavier” — it was how we valued ourselves back then.  I would have slept more and kept working through my pro career — idle time is the devil’s workplace.  I would have prioritized and perfected my posing, not procrastinated to the end.  Drugs…about the same. Yet I would have allowed myself to use mild diuretics again after initial near-death episode.   Wow, thinking back, more regret than praise yet that is the Irish Catholic, I was raised to be.
Is there a particular set or a particular workout from your Bodybuilding days you recall for its effort/intensity, something that stands bright in memory — an achievement?
Billy Smith, my workout buddy, ran the show with us.  So, one leg day he decided we were going to do something different.  That was a total attack on the leg press – 5 x 15, 10 x 15, 15 (plates per side) x 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, and yes 20 plates per side, me sitting on sled and we both managed 2050 x 8-10 reps.  Then Billy states, he will rep out 11 per side, he was done at 35 reps, rigor, and I mean done and gutted out 15 more to finish with 50 reps.  Two hours later, after the 46th set, he proclaimed we were squatting again going 135, 225, 315 and somehow not failing with 405 for good deep reps.  Leg day scared the shit out of me. The only other event remotely close to this hell was Winter.  Conditioning (Workouts) @ UNH.
There are no doubt some readers – especially the youngsters – who want some numbers on the table. This is also a good way to paint the picture of just how developed an athlete you were. Can you provide some stats from your peak time, in terms of peak lifts, bodyweight, caloric intake?
The 2,050 pd. leg press was cool.
Insquatted 495 x 21.
Shoulders were good by me. Seated dumbbell presses with 165 pd. dumbbells.
Unilateral dumbbell laterals.  Pellechia always did with 150 pd. dumbbells.
Dumbbell kickbacks with 150 pd. dumbbell with Pellechia.
Bent rows standing on a narrow bench with 495 x 6.
We trained heavy almost always.
Few seem to nowadays.  We were powerlifters who dieted for shows on occasion.

Jim siger han havde no business being a bodybuilder – jeg tillader mig at være voldsomt uenig.
You have previously said you had “no business on the BB stage”, referencing that your genetic structure did not match the subjective bodybuilding criteria (as we know, BB is 80% genetics!). However, can you also in retrospect appreciate that indeed a number of people embrace how athletes such as yourself did not bring a “streamlined”, perfect package to the stage but something unique to the stage: You! I can with certainty say that a number of young, motivated fitness enthusiasts find it much more fascinating and interesting to regard physiques such as the one you presented, with its extreme sixe & look of power and it being unique, and would indeed call the “perfect” physique boring! Looking back and judging your BB days, do you also factor this in?
I guess I am incentive for those not blessed with an aesthetic musculoskeletal system which was I in spades.  I figured I could overcome bad genetics with freakiness and size and I eventually did.  If I can make it, so can others who are not so blessed.  Yes, I too were not enamored by those born with DNA, yet never grew from their initial showing.  Sure, I had no business in that business, yet persevered and eeked out a living filling a niche.

What was your approach to nutrition – protein intake, calories, etc?
I never counted calories offseason or contest prep. I obsessively focused on lean animal source protein intake, daily.  I would shoot for 525 grams every day using protein powder to get this ingested each day. At times I struggled with this intake and declined in the gym and mirror badly.  I would limit carbs six weeks out to 150 grams per day. Fat was minimized as much as possible. Vague . . . sure, but it worked for me. A basic template of macros to follow is 40/45/15 (protein/carb/fat) for a sustainable progression in the gym/mirror. Funny with keto, prehistoric, etc. diets, our industry figured this stuff out decades ago, we most likely were in a mild to moderate ketosis most of the time and yet don’t get credit for figuring out food support drugged or clean (natural).
In fitness and bodybuilding, carbs are looked at as “protein sparring” so if one ingests more, then they need less protein intake. Protein has a huge metabolic effect (way more calories burned to ingest it than carb and fat) and lends more satiety (sense of fullness) and again, is what most miss from a macronutrient standpoint. Double whammys like ice cream, french fries, pizza prevail in the sedentary, overweight public sector.   Protein is the limiting factor with general public’s body composition and any athlete’s or figure/ physique person’s success.
Working now as a coach, do you have any particular favorite methods when it comes to developing absolute strength and explosive strength in athletes?
At present, I primarily train teenagers. Most of them are 12 – 15 years of age.  A massive mistake is doing too much sports specific and explosive/ballistic training early on.  Get them to a base strength. An initial plateau with compound, sports genetic strength (5 rm best) movements followed by strength endurance aka hypertrophic sets (8 rm best here).  We slowly mix method with a basic explosive movement like a kettlebell swing or a body row as a finisher. Just like bodybuilding, build the mountain first, then carve it.  Periodization is varied, movement variation is significant (so they don’t get bored and something metabolic like agility, acceleration or linear speed work finishes our sessions.  Their posture globally is awful. Our generation moved often and multi-planar. There is sedentary and limited.  Scapular retraction and hip flexor re-lengthening are a constant issue.  I use old school elevated high speed treadmill bursts and more current parachute and light sled towing on a slight decline for speed. Old and new!  My general public clients receives a balanced athletic performance and aesthetic (mirror) programming combo.

Jim træner sin søn i dips
Good coaching is both science and art. Can you give an example of how Jim Quinn delivers coaching in the form of science, and how Jim Quinn delivers coaching where science stops and it instead becomes art?
I guess my CSCS and staying current every three years is the science for sports performance enhancement and my nutrition and significant postural  knowledge is the art.  Throw in reading Dale Carnegie at least seven times and Deepak Chopra and Goldsmith’s “What Got You Here Won’t Get You There” and a bit of anecdotal evidence and there is the differentiation.
You’re a father now, with a beautiful wife and son. What is the most rewarding part of being a family man?
Thank you.  Leaving a self-absorbed industry and learning to become a selfless husband to Deirdre and Dad to Brady.  I check myself daily.  Deirdre and I spoke yesterday before Brady’s High School orientation about us as a couple before he came into our lives and how amazed we are at where we are as a family.  I take all the good from my parents (there was a lot) and throw the rest out. As a bodybuilder, I had no intention of marrying or being a parent for that matter, nor did Deirdre.  Then, we woke up, and grew up. I am lucky to be alive and fortunate to have our three-player team.
The thanks are mine to give, and again I give them for your time and knowledge!
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Bodybuildingstævner
1985
Eastern USA Championships – NPC, HeavyWeight, 1st
1987
USA Championships – NPC, HeavyWeight, 4th
1988
Nationals – NPC, HeavyWeight, 3rd
North American Championships – IFBB, HeavyWeight, 4th
USA Championships – NPC, HeavyWeight, 5th
1989
Nationals – NPC, HeavyWeight, 7th
1990
North American Championships – IFBB, Overall Winner
North American Championships – IFBB, HeavyWeight, 1st
1991
WBF Grand Prix – WBF, 4th
1993
Chicago Pro Championships – IFBB, 7th
Niagara Falls Pro Invitational – IFBB, 4th
Night of Champions – IFBB, 11th
1994
Arnold Classic – IFBB, 14th
Chicago Pro Championships – IFBB, 12th
Ironman Pro Invitational – IFBB, 10th
Niagara Falls Pro Invitational – IFBB, 12th
Night of Champions – IFBB, 13th
San Jose Pro Invitational – IFBB, 12th
1995
Houston Pro Championships – IFBB, 11th
Night of Champions – IFBB, 14th
2000
Olympia – Masters – IFBB, 5th
Hvis du bor i USA, så overvej at lægge turen forbi Jim i Pennsylvania, og lær af de bedste. Der er INTET der slår hands on. På 2 timer kan du lære hvad du ellers ville på 2 år – hvis overhovedet… Kontakt Jim Quinn på tlf nr 917-607-7947 eller mail: jquinn7156@optonline.net.

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